the watchtower society is a monolithic power invested by its own self with power of attorney representing the supreme being in his dealings with mankind.
the watchtower represents itself as the "mouthpiece of god".
it speaks for jehovah.. but, does it treat the persons it deals with fairly and with due process?
Terry (response to Cold Steel's post): " Chatty serpents, horny angels, Giants, Ass Jawbones as weapons of mass destruction are exactly the same kind of tale-spinning! If only you'd gotten your story in place BEFORE the Watchtower did their's! "
Terry, he did get his story in place before the WTS. He's parroting tenets of the Church of LDS. It's a case of the cultist leading the cultist.
the great day of god the almighty certainly is a fit description for the destruction of men, women, children, grandmothers, infants and puppy dogs in the days of noah.. why didn't destroying everybody on earth except a remnant of 8 count as armageddon?.
i mean, if you are starting all over by genocide--shouldn't it count for more than bad temper?.
what are we missing?.
Cold Steel: " This doesn't mean God didn't love the people He destroyed; they are His children, just as we are. But they didn't cease from being. Instead, when their bodies died, they were put in sort of a penalty box, where they stayed until the crucifixion of Jesus.
(P.S. -- The "nephilum" is a fanciful story and did not refer to angels at all. This issue of "giants" is an interesting topic and one for another topic.)"
Where are you getting this stuff from -- the Book of Mormon?
what would happen if a jehovah's witness claimed to see an angel or have an angelic experience?
what would the reaction of the church be if one of the governing body claimed to have seen an angel or have an angelic experience?
by "angelic experience" i mean being shown future events by an angelic presence.
Cold Steel: " What would the reaction of the church be if one of the Governing Body claimed to have seen an angel or have an angelic experience?
By "angelic experience" I mean being shown future events by an angelic presence. "
It would be a disaster for the WTS of one of the gb claimed a direct communication with a supernatural entity of any kind and it was made public.
The reason is that over the length of its history (about 140 years or so), the WT has made a lot of outright predictions and a few guarded predictions about the end of times, Jesus's second coming, armageddon, etc. All have failed to materialize.
The gb wiggles out of these failures by claiming they (the gb) are only "spirit-directed," not in actual communication with angels or god or whatever. They don't claim to be direct prophets of God. This allows them to rewrite their history of failures and keep their adherents in line by claiming that God's "light" (that is, his indirect guidance) keeps getting brighter as "the end" approaches.
There are no magical gold tablets or peep stones" or directly "revealed" info about "future events" in the dub religion.
That's sort of thing is the province of Mormons.
the watchtower society is a monolithic power invested by its own self with power of attorney representing the supreme being in his dealings with mankind.
the watchtower represents itself as the "mouthpiece of god".
it speaks for jehovah.. but, does it treat the persons it deals with fairly and with due process?
Terry: "A ny religion which only permits the closed system of thought and enforces it by threats and recriminations is a religion based on control and fear.
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And that's by design. The gb knows only too well that their system must remain closed if they wish it to continue. If dissent and free speech were allowed, the WTS and the JW religion would be defunct in less than 5 years.
Cold Steel: " Am I going to let some self-appointed elder from a manmade church whose leaders have never seen an angel or received revelation of any sort, cow me into submission?"
But it's okay if Mormons knuckle under?
Cold Steel: "How bad would it be to just go back to non-existence. Even if the cows forgave you, is this really how you want to live?"
Don't you mean swine instead of cows? You know, the ones from whom the pearls of Jesus are "hidden." That is to say, from everyone except Mormons.
Cold Steel: "Apparently, few people who are JWs really ever question whether their gig is legit if they risk being toast. Shoot, I don't know of anyone in the Society that really even knows what the Bible says about Armageddon!"
Apparently, few people who are Mormons ever really question whether their "gig" is legit, period. And I'm sure your god has revealed to you everything you need to know about armageddon. You've got a direct line open.
Cold Steel: "And corret me if I'm wrong, don't you get a clean shot at resurrection when you come to and are conscious again? Doesn't matter what you did on Earth...it's whether you choose Jehovah when you come to in the Recovery Room, right?"
You are wrong. Dubs believe that faith without works is dead. Choosing God in "extremis" is rejected by dubs as being too little, too late. And "corret" is spelled "correct."
Either way.... "
Go back to your temple and leave exdubs alone. We have enough to worry about without you.
what do you think a witness would say when shown this quote, then the proof of the 1914, 1925 predictions?.
"true, there have been those in times past who predicted an "end to the world," even announcing a specific date.
yet nothing happened.
If you show those contradictory statements to a dub, his eyes will spin like pinwheels, smoke will come out of his ears, metal springs will start popping out all over his body, and then an ambulance will come and take him in a direction away from the hospital.
stumbling block.
comments.
comments.
As I was scanning the WT and your comments, Blondie, I kept thinking, "Now it's ALL the stumbler's fault? What about the millstone scripture?"
Only you, not the WT, mentioned it in your comments at the end.
Now those dubs who lie, belittle, gossip, and otherwise harass other dubs can take comfort that it's now all on the stumbled one to get back on his feet and into the "race."
Bullies at the KH, take note! You can now bully the weaker ones with impunity. The WT says it's not your fault!! It's theirs!!! Yay!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcs751gcp10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52j5stxkbkq.
CS: " Jesus repeatedly states that seekers shall find the hidden things of the earth, but they were hidden to keep the pearls from being mauled by the swine. "
Hear that, fellow swine?
There's Mormon Christianity for you. Like other cults, full of love and compassion.
the power of eight.
in the first paragraph on page 26 of the 15 june 2013 watchtower we read:.
"on wednesday morning, september 5, 2012, it was announced to the united states and canada bethel families that a new member had been added to the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.
All they need to do now is add one more member for a total of nine. Then they can wear black hooded robes, mount black horses and go search for the One Ring of power.
"One ring to rule them all,
and in the darkness bind them."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcs751gcp10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52j5stxkbkq.
frankiespeakin: " Sound like a plausible cognitive dissonance nuetralizer to me. "
I never knew the verb "to hide" could twisted into so many meanings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcs751gcp10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52j5stxkbkq.
CS: “I don’t think God hides from anyone ... the Lord has hidden both His existence and right to rule from unbelievers.”
Parakeet: Would you care to explain this contradiction?
CS: "By “hide” I mean more of an evasive attempt to remain concealed. By “hidden” I mean concealed but able to be found. God does not hide from anyone who seeks Him; however, he has made some things hidden so as to reveal them to those He deems worthy."
Parakeet:
